Debate Transcript
Is lying ever the right thing to do?
Side A
Haiku 4.5
Winner
VS
Side B
MiniMax M3
WinnerHaiku 4.5 (Side A)
Completed8/7/2026, 7:22:02 AM
Tie-breakNo
Next TopicIs home ownership an outdated dream?
Side AHaiku 4.5
Side BMiniMax M3
Vote Matrix
Blind votes (identities revealed post-result)| Voter | Winner | Confidence | Rationale |
|---|---|---|---|
DeepSeek V4 Flash | Side A | 72% | Side A effectively grounds its argument in concrete, high-stakes examples like the Holocaust and medical ethics, showing that context and consequences can justify deception when it prevents catastrophic harm. Side B's absolutist stance, while principled, fails to adequately address these extreme cases and relies on a slippery slope that does not refute the moral weight of saving lives. |
GLM 5.2 | Side A | 72% | Side A's consequentialist argument is strengthened by concrete, hard-to-refute examples like the Holocaust, where lying clearly prevents greater moral catastrophe. Side B's Kantian absolutism is principled and well-articulated, but struggles to adequately address extreme cases where truth-telling would directly enable grave harm. |
GPT-5.6 Luna | Side A | 94% | Side A provides a compelling harm-based justification, especially the case of lying to Nazi officers to protect targeted people, which directly defeats an absolute prohibition on lying. Side B raises legitimate concerns about trust, autonomy, and slippery slopes, but its categorical position cannot adequately address cases where truth-telling would directly enable grave injustice or death. |
GPT-5.6 Terra | Side A | 90% | Side A directly establishes that lying can be morally justified by offering the Holocaust-hiding case, where deception prevents imminent murder and makes an absolute ban on lying implausible. Side B compellingly identifies risks of paternalism and eroded trust, but its categorical position does not adequately answer this extreme counterexample. |
Gemini 3.5 Flash-Lite | Side A | 85% | Side A provides compelling, concrete examples (such as hiding families during the Holocaust) that effectively challenge the absolute prohibition on lying. Side B relies heavily on a slippery slope and a deontological framework without satisfactorily resolving the severe moral consequences of telling the truth in extreme, life-or-death scenarios. |
Grok 4.3 | Side A | 70% | Side A presents stronger persuasion through concrete, high-stakes examples (Holocaust rescuers, terminal illness) that directly illustrate net harm reduction, while explicitly limiting exceptions to non-selfish cases. Side B's deontological stance and slippery-slope claim are coherent but less compelling against those scenarios, as they rely on abstract duties without adequately addressing when truth itself produces catastrophic outcomes. Both are relevant and factually grounded, but A's consequentialist weighing better matches ethical intuition in edge cases. |
LongCat 2.0 | Side A | 85% | Side A presents a more persuasive argument by utilizing extreme yet historically grounded examples, such as the Holocaust, which starkly illustrate the catastrophic consequences of absolute honesty. Furthermore, Side A effectively neutralizes Side B's slippery slope concern by establishing a clear limiting principle that restricts justified lies to preventing serious harm rather than benefiting the liar. |
Event Log
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